Women prefer good-looking men to high-earning men.

Women prefer physically attractive men to high-earning men:

For women, a man's attractiveness has a 0.46 correlation with relationship initiation, while a man's earning power has only a 0.16 correlation. For men, a woman's attractiveness has a 0.43 correlation with relationship initiation, while a woman's earning power has a correlation of 0.19.

When male geeks talk about what (heterosexual) women want in men, they typically assert that women evolved to be attracted to a man’s resources, while men evolved to be attracted to a woman’s physical attractiveness. (Sometimes, this evolutionary psychology argument is used to justify the gender gap in earnings; they argue that men earn more than women because men’s evolutionary fitness depends on earning money, while women’s evolutionary fitness allegedly does not.) Such male IT geeks then complain that their difficulty attracting women must because they are “low status” males who do not make enough money, even when IT is a lucrative industry.

In reality, however, what women and men look for in a partner are pretty much the same. Perhaps those male IT geeks who falsely believe that women are attracted to “alpha male” jerks should work on their physical appearance and personality.

(Image via onlinedatingmatchmaker.com via Sociological Images.)


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74 Responses to “Women prefer good-looking men to high-earning men.”

  1. LaDonna Says:

    This makes sense to me. I’ve heard my male friends complain that women only want tall guys or super good looking guys as if it is unfair that women care about looks. Many of them have been lied to and told that women care more about earning power so they think they shouldn’t have to work on their looks the way women do.

  2. Xing Says:

    I would change the word “attractiveness” to “appearance” if I were you. Personality and earning power (among other things) can contribute to level of attractiveness as well as appearance, although I do think that when it comes to “natural” attraction appearance will always be the number one factor. It’s the one thing you can’t keep hidden after all. You get what you see.

  3. Restructure! Says:

    I specified “physical attractiveness”. The wording of the image is not mine.

  4. Hmmmm Says:

    And at the same time you have no problem telling us about how bad it is that women are judged by their looks. Are we once again back to the statement that it’s ok when it’s a woman doing it, but it’s not ok when a man is doing it?

  5. Hmmmm Says:

    Addenum:

    As a previously fat guy I have to say. Don’t come crying to me when you discover that you can’t compete with looks anymore. Now when I’m 6’6 with six-pack abs and a black belt in jujutsu. You had your chance. But at that time you thought it was more interesting with the guys who flaunted their sixpack abs and went partying all weekend. So too bad for you I’m not really buying into your nonsense about you having matured, and looking for other qualities. And one more thing, don’t stand around crying and yelling at me when your drunken boyfriend gets a very physical demonstration of why he shouldn’t start a fight he will never be able to win.

  6. Restructure! Says:

    And at the same time you have no problem telling us about how bad it is that women are judged by their looks. Are we once again back to the statement that it’s ok when it’s a woman doing it, but it’s not ok when a man is doing it?

    No, it’s bad when a man only accepts women who are 10s when he himself is a 1 or 2.

  7. Hmmmm Says:

    Ahh, so a man doesn’t have the right to have high standards? If an unattractive man only accepts hyper-attractive women, that’s his right, if he fails that’s his personal problem.

  8. Restructure! Says:

    A (heterosexual) male nerd is hypocritical if he complains about being rejected for being a nerd during high school, while he overlooked female nerds and pursued only conventionally attractive non-nerd 10s.

  9. Hmmmm Says:

    A (heterosexual) male nerd is hypocritical if he complains about being rejected for being a nerd during high school, while he overlooked female nerds and pursued only conventionally attractive non-nerd 10s.

    Same as a fat positive femnist beeing a hypocrite for complaining about fat women not beeing regarded as attractive while herself drooling over sixpack abs and pectorals that can crush bricks.

    Same as a feminist who keeps stating her right to have high standards, while at the same time complaining that men don’t find her attractive.

  10. Restructure! Says:

    I don’t see fat-positive feminist women feeling that they are entitled to have relationships with conventionally attractive people in the way that male nerds are.

  11. Hmmmm Says:

    Yes that is obvious to me that you don’t. I see it quite a lot. Fat women who think that it’s their right to demand sixpack abs and pectorals that can crush bricks.

    Unemployed women who think they have the right to demand a man with at least a junior executive positiion.

    Women with an undergraduate degree who won’t settle for less than a graduate degree.

  12. Hmmmm Says:

    Besides did you even read the link you posted? It quite clearly shows this double standard. Man should shave beard, woman does not have to shave legs.

    Man should learn social skills, woman does not have to.

    And so on.

  13. Restructure! Says:

    Actually, the woman who hates shaving her legs doesn’t mind an unshaven face. But you think women are hypocrites if one woman is inconsistent with a completely different individual who happens to be female.

  14. Hmmmm Says:

    I choose this as an example of female hypocrisy. I can show you lots more.

    My favourite from this specific site is me beeing told that the universe doesn’t owe me a girlfriend, while at the same time I as a stock holder is somehow indebted to hire women and minorities to executive positions in the companies I own, because oddly enough, the universe does apparently owe minorities and women executive positions.

  15. Restructure! Says:

    I choose this as an example of female hypocrisy.

    Perhaps you have a problem with reading comprehension: Actually, the woman who hates shaving her legs doesn’t mind an unshaven face.

    My favourite from this specific site is me beeing told that the universe doesn’t owe me a girlfriend, while at the same time I as a stock holder is somehow indebted to hire women and minorities to executive positions in the companies I own, because oddly enough, the universe does apparently owe minorities and women executive positions.

    You are obligated to hire the most qualified people. If you think that hiring women and minorities means hiring unqualified people, you are sexist and racist.

  16. Hmmmm Says:

    “You are obligated to hire the most qualified people. If you think that hiring women and minorities means hiring unqualified people, you are sexist and racist.”

    Do you see the tiny gliding in meaning here?

    That a woman isn’t the most qualified doesn’t mean that she is unqualified. This kind of false dichotomy is something I have come to regard as a feminist shame tactic.

    Besides, would you call a woman who is not attracted to african americans or to other minorities a racist? Or would you support her right to say yes and no as she pleases?

  17. Hmmmm Says:

    And please separate ’employment’ and ‘executive position’ they are not equivalent. One implies the other, but they are not equivalent.

  18. Restructure! Says:

    Fine: If you think that hiring women and minorities means hiring less qualified people, you are sexist and racist.

    Besides, would you call a woman who is not attracted to african americans or to other minorities a racist? Or would you support her right to say yes and no as she pleases?

    She is probably racist, but has the right to say yes/no as she pleases.

    And please separate ‘employment’ and ‘executive position’ they are not equivalent. One implies the other, but they are not equivalent.

    You used the term “hire to executive positions”.

  19. Hmmmm Says:

    “She is probably racist, but has the right to say yes/no as she pleases.”
    So do you also support my right as a stock holder to say yes or no to executives as I please? Or is this somehow morally despicable?

    “You used the term “hire to executive positions”.”

    Yes, because that was what was being said on this specific site.
    You were the one starting to equate ‘not most qualified” with “unqualified”.

  20. Nezua Says:

    Hey Hmmmm,

    I’m thinkin why don’t you stretch your legs and grab yourself a fresh cuppa shut the fuck up?

    Wow! Only a suggestion!

    Peace,
    Nezua

  21. Hmmmm Says:

    If you don’t like what’s being written, don’t read it.

  22. Restructure! Says:

    So do you also support my right as a stock holder to say yes or no to executives as I please? Or is this somehow morally despicable?

    Sexual consent and employment are completely different things. The former is about personal choice; for the latter, your personal issues should not be in the equation at all.

  23. Hmmmm Says:

    “Sexual consent and employment are completely different things. The former is about personal choice; for the latter, your personal issues should not be in the equation at all.”

    So, disregarding that you have once again equated employment and executive position. Why should I not be allowed to decide exactly what happens with my property? My stocks, my property, my decisions. This is a textbook example of the thing you call entitlement.

  24. Eclectic Says:

    “Why should I not be allowed to decide exactly what happens with my property? My stocks, my property, my decisions.”

    By this reasoning, you can use your gun to shoot anyone because it’s your property and you can do whatever you want with it.

    You are not freely permitted to do whatever you want with the things you own simply because you own them. Owning property comes with a set of obligations about how to use them. Just as you are punished for choosing to drive your car through your neighbour’s window, you are punished for using your stock to commit racist and sexist actions.

  25. moonphoenix Says:

    Hey Hmmmm sounds like a very bitter man. Still can’t get a date with your six pack huh? Hmmm, I wonder why.

  26. Xing Says:

    moonphoenix: My thoughts exactly. His emphasis on having six-pack abs is laughable. I don’t even know what kind of girls he specifically has in mind, but I don’t recall a single moment I ever inspected someone for six-pack abs before deciding whether or not I liked him. In fact, whenever I see someone who looks like that I’m inclined to think, “This person has spent way too much time in the gym and probably has a screwed-up idea about attractiveness. I will now avoid making eye contact with him and try not to weep for humanity.”

    But that’s just me.

  27. a girl Says:

    Physical attractiveness in a guy is very important, the same as it is for a girl!!! That’s why I am in the gym exercising to keep fit and to have muscle tone. I don’t date guys with a lot of body fat as it turns me off and yes I am picky about their looks and charisma, I want someone who would be able to go places with me and be an asset. I am smart and somewhat pretty, so expect the same out of him. As I’m cornering smart I want my boy to pick up more of the pretty. Otherwise it’s just friends, right? If women can earn their own salaries more of them might choose not to settle. I could get much easier degrees if my goal was to be someone’s girlfriend.

    It is also possible for a guy to be both a 2, low status and feel entitled. Just because some very wealthy guys get to marry models doesn’t mean that privilege trickles down to your average Joe, nor even your average geek. Having male virgins well into their 20’s is a sign of market failure, IE they failed to close the deal with ANY woman because their goals and standards were unrealistic. Just a thought. …

  28. Hmmmm Says:

    Thanks moonphoenix and xing. You two remind me why I will never interact with women again.

    I will just laugh my head off when you discover that you have priced yourselves out of market when your 30:th birthday start approaching and you discover that suddenly your looks aren’t holding up anymore and you attitude scares people away.

    I will just stand there with my stocks, my graduate degree and beeing in the shape of my life and laugh when you start with your cognitiv dissonances about how you value other things in men now. Oh and by the way. Don’t dare demand I should pay a single cent in taxes to support any of your insane projects.

  29. Hmmmm Says:

    a girl

    Try beeing a man and saying what you just said. There would be no end to the lamenting about ‘trophy wife’. But hey, feminism has always been about the double standard.

    “Having male virgins well into their 20′s is a sign of market failure, IE they failed to close the deal with ANY woman because their goals and standards were unrealistic. Just a thought. …”

    But somehow, so few women in executive positions and so few women in high-tech startups is a sign of the patriarchy.
    Once more,
    when a man is the victim, it’s his own fault.
    When a woman is the victim it’s the fault of the patriarchy.

  30. Hmmmm Says:

    Oh, and addenum let me ask.
    I assume you are going to say next ‘The only constant factor in your constant failure is you’ let me ask, is that ok to say to the woman who has suffered repeated cases of domestic abuse? Is it ok to say to the woman who never advances in her career?

  31. Restructure! Says:

    when a man is the victim, it’s his own fault.

    Not being entitled to a woman makes you the victim now?

    I assume you are going to say next ‘The only constant factor in your constant failure is you’ let me ask, is that ok to say to the woman who has suffered repeated cases of domestic abuse? Is it ok to say to the woman who never advances in her career?

    No, because for independent reasons, domestic abuse is the fault of the abuser, and there is independent evidence for sexism at work (although if we’re talking about an individual, the person who never advances could have to do with the person as well).

    For independent reasons, there is some evidence that you are a jerk who drives people away with your attitude.

  32. Hmmmm Says:

    ‘when a man is the victim, it’s his own fault.’
    Not being entitled to a woman makes you the victim now?

    And here we see the logic at work.
    I am not entitlted to a woman, fair enough, everyone has the right to say yes or no for whatever reason.

    However, when I exercise my right to say yes or no as I choose when it comes my property, the companies I own, then suddenley I am part of a structure that opresses women.

    “No, because for independent reasons, domestic abuse is the fault of the abuser, and there is independent evidence for sexism at work (although if we’re talking about an individual, the person who never advances could have to do with the person as well).”

    Yes, and there is also research into attraction factors. But this you disqualify by saying that every woman is diferent.

    “For independent reasons, there is some evidence that you are a jerk who drives people away with your attitude.”

    Boho, well don’t first bad mouth me and then think that my technichal expertise will be freely available for you, yes I have experienced women with this attitude.

    Don’t first talk about how unmanly I am and that I can at best qualify as a second tier choise because at least I have money, yes I have experienced women doing this as well.

    Don’t first stand idly by when your boyfriend picks fights when he’s drunk and then be surprised when he gets a round kick to the face and conclude this by calling the guy who delivered the round kick an asshole for defending himself, yes this I have exeprienced as well.

    Oh, and don’t just stand up and say that I should mature and don’t take it personally when your boyfriend has just delivered a really hurtful insult about my weight and I’m about to show him that finally I am going to stand up to the bullies, because today I now how to fight back. Yes, this is also personally experienced.

    I am fine with women detesting me, but that also means that they don’t have access to my expertise, neither do they have access to my money, neither should they try to mitigate the physical pain that I am about to inflict on their boyfriends.

  33. Hmmmm Says:

    Besides restructure., where is your condemnation of the earlier superficiality expressed by previous commenters weren’t you the one complaining that popular culture perpetuated that the secret to male sexual success was to be handsome and charming?

  34. a girl Says:

    You live in a hybrid country that has a good mixture of socialism and capitalism. This is the same as all developed countries. If you want to do business and have protection from thugs, IE have police come to your aid if someone robs you, then you have to also follow the laws. A big difference between developed and developing countries is that we follow a Rule of Law system. Not discriminating is part of the laws you follow as a PUBLIC company, which has privileges above that of an individual citizen. As soon as you become a business you have to follow the obligations put on businesses by the country and state you live and operate in as part of your licensing agreement.

    If you don’t want to follow our laws, move somewhere where they don’t care about laws at all, and they don’t care about intellectual property, chemical fraud or transparency and see how good that is for business. In fact, there are many up and coming developing countries that have a thriving economic climates. Pick one. As they won’t enforce laws to protect your company or your safety, they won’t care whether you follow their laws either.

  35. Hmmmm Says:

    So following this logic the racial segregation laws of South Africa was perfectly acceptable? Or for that reason the Jim Crow laws

    You seem to equate moral with law. These are not the same.

  36. a girl Says:

    Morality and laws are different things. You were complaining about the morality of this countries political establishment, which has advocated affirmative action in hiring practices to make up for years of discrimination. So I told you that we live in a rule of law system that you can take or leave.

    However, if you are going to compare us to South Africa, please remember that this comparison is not entirely fair. Their president went to trial earlier this decade for raping an HIV positive woman without a condom, and claimed it was because she wanted him and crossed her legs seductively. He took a shower after sex to make sure he didn’t get infected. Later he was elected president but that was what he was famous for beforehand. The country has a lot more significant problems at this point than just racial segregation. They are not over their past at this time and still not into their future. While neither are we, we are at least somewhat further ahead. Affirmative action is part of how we are getting further ahead of our past and creating opportunities for normal relations between different racial groups and the genders. It is how we are trying to heal divisions.

  37. Hmmmm Says:

    “Morality and laws are different things. You were complaining about the morality of this countries political establishment, which has advocated affirmative action in hiring practices to make up for years of discrimination. So I told you that we live in a rule of law system that you can take or leave.”

    No, I asked why it is not a case of entitlement that women should have the right to executive positions. Then the debate turns to the statement that the law requires affirmative action, that this somehow is the end all argument. I then point out laws that have been exactly contrary to the laws today. I ask about the contradiction that arises from this. I am certain you with your renowned intelligence is familiar with the rhetorical method of reduction to the absurd. I have shown that your statement is self-contradictory and thus can not be true.

    I have never ever compared the US to South Africa.

    Now back to the original question, male entitlement vs female entitlement.

    I ask once more, why is it entitlement to feel sadness over being out competed from the partner market, while at the same time it is not entitlement to demand executive positions for women and minorities?

    As you yourself said
    “Just because some very wealthy guys get to marry models doesn’t mean that privilege trickles down to your average Joe, nor even your average geek”
    Ah, so now marrying a model is somehow a privilege that is only bestowed to some very special men, something that regular men should never ever even expect nor hope for.

    I once again see the attitude that somehow women are the once deciding who should get the privilege and men should be grateful for whatever they get.

    Well you now what? My stocks, my companies, my decisions, you should be gratefull for whatever scrap I hand you.

  38. Xing Says:

    “I will just laugh my head off when you discover that you have priced yourselves out of market when your 30:th birthday start approaching and you discover that suddenly your looks aren’t holding up anymore and you attitude scares people away.”

    I laughed when I read this. I’m not sure how you came to the conclusion that I have impossible standards and a bad attitude when the concern I had in my previous post revolved around your obsession with your sick-pack abs (and your stocks). You can hold on to the hope that I’ll be eventually reduced to begging for you to take me when I turn 30, but chances are you’ll be disappointed and have to extend the deadline. No, seriously. Don’t hold your breath.

    You seem to be one of those people who are so sure your six-pack, your stocks, and your college degree make you a successful person and therefore one of the most desirable men on this planet–and now you’re pissed because women haven’t been throwing themselves at you as you’ve imagined they would while you were working toward having all those things. Well, pal, it’s time for a little self-introspection. You’re vengeful, petty, envious, and spiteful. Forget women. If this is the vibe you’re giving in real life as well as on the internet, most people would want nothing to do with YOU.

  39. Restructure! Says:

    Xing <3

  40. Hmmmm Says:

    laughed when I read this. I’m not sure how you came to the conclusion that I have impossible standards and a bad attitude when the concern I had in my previous post revolved around your obsession with your sick-pack abs (and your stocks). You can hold on to the hope that I’ll be eventually reduced to begging for you to take me when I turn 30, but chances are you’ll be disappointed and have to extend the deadline. No, seriously. Don’t hold your breath.

    ‘Fine, I couldn’t care less what you want or what you don’t want. Hovwever, don’t come running to me about how my companies should hire you just because you are a woman.

    “You seem to be one of those people who are so sure your six-pack, your stocks, and your college degree make you a successful person and therefore one of the most desirable men on this planet–and now you’re pissed because women haven’t been throwing themselves at you as you’ve imagined they would while you were working toward having all those things. Well, pal, it’s time for a little self-introspection. You’re vengeful, petty, envious, and spiteful. Forget women. If this is the vibe you’re giving in real life as well as on the internet, most people would want nothing to do with YOU.”

    No, but the fact that I have a rather large trophy case filled commendations and awards for my work and approval from my peers makes me think so.

    Regarding me beeing pissed of. No I am not pissed of because of that. I am pissed of because feminists like you and restructure scream bloody murder about male entitlement while at the same time you seem to think that it is a basic human right for women to have access to investment capital, executive positions and career paths. Well you now what, live up to your own standards. Life isn’t far for me, it isn’t far for you either.

    And responding to restructure. Given that you haven’t aswered A girl I from now on assume that you are perfectly ok with men chasing trophy wifes, since you seem to be perfectly ok with women chasing trophy men.

    Unless of course this is one more of those weird feminist standards where it’s acceptable when its a woman doing it, but abhorable when its a man doing it.

  41. Hmmmm Says:

    Oh and since A Girls seems to have the right to demand a fit man since she herself keeps fit. Am I not allowed to demand employes that will work 90 hours a week since I myself work 90 hours a week?

  42. Restructure! Says:

    Hmmmm,

    I honestly don’t care whether or not women and men chase trophy spouses. Your problem is that you and men like you feel you are a victimized by women if you don’t have trophy wife, while most women would not feel victimized by men for being rejected. Because women generally internalize the rejection as “I’m ugly and I don’t deserve to be loved,” while men like you think, “Those bitches. Don’t I have the right to pussy?”

  43. Restructure! Says:

    Hmmmm,

    I am pissed of because feminists like you and restructure scream bloody murder about male entitlement while at the same time you seem to think that it is a basic human right for women to have access to investment capital, executive positions and career paths.

    Do you think that it is a basic human right for men to have access to investment capital, executive positions and career paths?

  44. Hmmmm Says:

    I honestly don’t care whether or not women and men chase trophy spouses.
    Ok, this is good to know.

    Your problem is that you and men like you feel you are a victimized by women if you don’t have trophy wife, while most women would not feel victimized by men for being rejected.
    Pure nonsense.

    Because women generally internalize the rejection as “I’m ugly and I don’t deserve to be loved,” while men like you think, “Those bitches. Don’t I have the right to pussy?”

    Ahh, so that’s why the entire PUA community is geared towards self improvement for men.

    “Do you think that it is a basic human right for men to have access to investment capital, executive positions and career paths?”

    No I don’t. Life isn’t fair, has never been and will never be.

  45. Restructure! Says:

    Hmmmm,

    Ahh, so that’s why the entire PUA community is geared towards self improvement for men.

    If it was really about self-improvement, why are you so bitter that your six-pack, stocks, and degree hasn’t made you attractive to women?

  46. Hmmmm Says:

    “Your problem is that you and men like you feel you are a victimized by women if you don’t have trophy wife, while most women would not feel victimized by men for being rejected.”

    Do you know what it’s like to develop your first clinical depression at age 6? Do you know what it’s’ like to face rascism all your childhood, combined with depresion, neurological disorders and eating disorders. When you have done that then you can tell me about feeling victimized about beeing constantly rejected.

  47. Hmmmm Says:

    “If it was really about self-improvement, why are you so bitter that your six-pack, stocks, and degree hasn’t made you attractive to women?”

    I don’t care anymore, but as I said, don’t come running to me when you need my expertise or my money. Don’t expect me to show any restraint when your boyfriend has to find the biggest baddest guy around to prove his machismo.

  48. Restructure! Says:

    Do you know what it’s like to develop your first clinical depression at age 6? Do you know what it’s’ like to face rascism all your childhood, combined with depresion, neurological disorders and eating disorders. When you have done that then you can tell me about feeling victimized about beeing constantly rejected.

    Fascinating. I’ve faced racism all during my childhood, plus physical and emotional abuse, plus undiagnosed depression. I felt victimized for being dehumanized and rejected as a human being, but I’ve never felt victimized for being rejected in romantic relationships.

    Do you think your rich ass makes you entitled to have a romantic relationship with someone?

  49. Restructure! Says:

    Hmmmm,

    Are you white? You felt offended by supposed “insults about nerdy white men” in another post.

  50. Hmmmm Says:

    “Fascinating. I’ve faced racism all during my childhood, plus physical and emotional abuse, plus undiagnosed depression. I felt victimized for being dehumanized and rejected as a human being, but I’ve never felt victimized for being rejected in romantic relationships.”

    So you experienced some of what I’ve experienced and yet you are the one talking about what you have suffered.

    “Do you think your rich ass makes you entitled to have a romantic relationship with someone?”
    Obviosly you have not understood, the only one talking about having the right to something is you. I have stated previously everyone has the right to say yes or no as they please. You are the one that’s entitled you are the one talking about how women have the right to executive positions to venture capital and so on.

  51. Hmmmm Says:

    Hmmmm,
    Are you white? You felt offended by supposed “insults about nerdy white men” in another post.

    I am partly white.

  52. Restructure! Says:

    So you experienced some of what I’ve experienced and yet you are the one talking about what you have suffered.

    Come again?

    Obviosly you have not understood, the only one talking about having the right to something is you. I have stated previously everyone has the right to say yes or no as they please. You are the one that’s entitled you are the one talking about how women have the right to executive positions to venture capital and so on.

    No, men and women should have the same rights and women should not be discriminated against, whereas you feel entitled to openly discriminate against women and minorities. And you also justify your employment-related discrimination by linking your discrimination against women to you being rejected by women romantically.

  53. a girl Says:

    In the past it might have partially been entitlement that women could look for quotas in executive positions as they had not had the same kinds of experiences available to men of that age, but affirmative action is an aging program at this point. While you might have degrees, women now have them too. I am not in a ‘Mrs.’ degree program. This means that I don’t have to chase your credentials but am being chased at this time for my own achievements. So your point that *I NEED* your help is entirely wrong. I am a very good capitalists on my own. I am younger than affirmative action so I did not grow up in an environment where all women were disadvantaged, therefore I can keep up quite nicely with my male peers and many of them turn to me for help instead.

    So why would a woman in my position, put up with that kind of attitude? I mean honestly, only guys who are gorgeous get to crop that kind of attitude and that doesn’t necessarily last that long.

  54. Anonymous Says:

    “‘Fine, I couldn’t care less what you want or what you don’t want. Hovwever, don’t come running to me about how my companies should hire you just because you are a woman.”

    If it makes you feel any better, I’ve never asked anyone to hire me because I’m a female, and I have absolutely no desire to work for someone who has decided to hire me BECAUSE I’m a female. In my humble opinion, hiring someone should be based on qualifications rather than on sex. The problem is some employers (take yourself as an example) are so convinced women are inherently less capable than men, which can be a roadblock to women who do meet all of the qualifications except for the fact that they lack a Y chromosome. It’s also just irritating. Seriously, quit acting like you’re doing women a favor every time you hire a woman, and maybe–just maybe–you’ll get yourself the hot girlfriend you’ve always wanted.

    And also, what’s with your insistence that we’ll all be needing your money and expertise one day? Are you Bill Gates?

  55. Hmmmm Says:

    “This means that I don’t have to chase your credentials but am being chased at this time for my own achievements. So your point that *I NEED* your help is entirely wrong. I am a very good capitalists on my own. I am younger than affirmative action so I did not grow up in an environment where all women were disadvantaged, therefore I can keep up quite nicely with my male peers and many of them turn to me for help instead.”

    Oh, nice for you, must be pleasant to be surrounded by psychophants. Apparently your degree can’t be that advanced since you have never encountered the rhetoric method of reduction to the absurd. It was after all only invented almost 2 milenia ago.

    “And also, what’s with your insistence that we’ll all be needing your money and expertise one day? Are you Bill Gates?”

    I see it all the time, women thinking that first they can tell me off about how worthless I am, how I will live the rest of my life alone because I am so worthless. And afterwards they come running thinking I am somehow obliged to fix all kinds of problems for them, or lend them money or use my influence to land them employment.

    “Seriously, quit acting like you’re doing women a favor every time you hire a woman, and maybe–just maybe–you’ll get yourself the hot girlfriend you’ve always wanted.”

    I asked restructure why it’s perfectlley ok for a women to be a racist when it comes to partner selection but at the same time it’s not ok for me to be a rascist when it comes to employment.
    This has nothing to do with me acting like I am doing women a favour.

    What makes you think I have the desire to ever interact with women in that kind of way? I used to have that desire then I understood that no, I am not going to be you third tier option when you can’t keep up with the competition anymore. You just sit and whine about how unfair life is and how superficial men are, because you no longer can compete in looks. You had your chance a lot of times. But you found the bullies that thought it was fun to pants me more attractive, you even stood up for them when I used force to defend myself, because it was so sad for them to get their limbs twisted off. After all they weren’t trained in bare fist fighting like I was. They only punched me out of spite.

    So no, your vagina doesn’t contain some kind of magical elixir that entitles you to behave any way you like and still be attractive. Sex is in no part essential to continued life.

  56. Hmmmm Says:

    Now I recall what happened. The bullies who pantsed me thought it would be fun to punch me in the face just to demonstrate their higher status, well they broke my nose. I responded by twisting the right arm on one of them right out of it’s socket. Then you stood there yelling at me for hurting him.

  57. Restructure! Says:

    Hmmmm,

    Apparently your degree can’t be that advanced since you have never encountered the rhetoric method of reduction to the absurd.

    I would not be speculating about a girl’s degree, if you yourself cannot spell ordinary words like ‘millennia’, ‘perfectly’, ‘racist’, etc.

    Then you stood there yelling at me for hurting him.

    As you can see, the Nice Guy®’s first target, in everything, is women. Usually it’s a specific woman, but she’s a stand-in for all women, as we’ll see.

  58. Hmmmm Says:

    “I would not be speculating about a girl’s degree, if you yourself cannot spell ordinary words like ‘millennia’, ‘perfectly’, ‘racist’, etc.”

    Yes because as we all know, it’s style over substance.

    “As you can see, the Nice Guy®’s first target, in everything, is women. Usually it’s a specific woman, but she’s a stand-in for all women, as we’ll see.”

    Well, your shaming tactic won’t work on me. Stay out of my stock and my companies and I will stay out of your pants. Oh, but I forgot, somehow women have a right to a career.

  59. Hmmmm Says:

    Oh and on a side note, shall we take some heed from the advice that is handed out on the site you link http://images.despair.com/products/demotivators/dysfunction.jpg

    What would you say if the same advice was handed out to a woman who fails to leave an abusive spouse?

  60. a girl Says:

    Hmmmm:

    Why are you debating logical theory when you can’t make logical arguments of your own? None of us need or want your help. You are projecting past failures onto a bunch of strangers.

    No one has a right to a career. In fact in most parts of the world there are a shortage of ‘good jobs’ for just about everyone. It’s why many people in the world live on less than $1 or $2 a day. This is also why many immigrants to the US and other rich countries are so very good at understanding just how spoiled we are and might not even care as they tend to be the best patriots. They understand what a privilege it is for anyone to be able to have a good life and don’t focus as much on people they disagree with (although this might be changing). It is in many ways a tremendous privilege to have these opportunities that you throw away.

    Besides, you wonder about my sycophants and I wonder about your stocks and bonds. All our stated credentials are hearsay in an online world. Only your argument matters, as that is the only thing we can verify.

  61. Anonymous Says:

    I have nothing to add to a girl’s comment, but Hmmmm, I’ve been wondering: do you even listen when other people talk? Or better yet…

    “I asked restructure why it’s perfectlley ok for a women to be a racist when it comes to partner selection but at the same time it’s not ok for me to be a rascist when it comes to employment.”

    …do you listen to yourself when you talk?

    Just wondering.

  62. HardL Says:

    “Well, your shaming tactic won’t work on me. Stay out of my stock and my companies and I will stay out of your pants. Oh, but I forgot, somehow women have a right to a career.”

    Well, looking at your messages I’d say they’re working a little.

    So basically, you’re saying that women don’t have a right to a career because you don’t have a right to get in a woman’s pants?
    Why is ‘self-improvement’ always abs and money? I see some people include personality, but it seems so few people look into that… j/k ;)
    Generally the purpose of a company is to make money. If a company is overlooking people who may be able to make that company even more money because they don’t like that person’s gender/race..one could say…Stay out of my boardroom, or better yet, Stay THE HELL out of my boardroom!
    Anyway, good luck with your pua stuff. Maybe you’ll find with it success undefined by someone else…or maybe not.

  63. Hmmmm Says:

    “Well, looking at your messages I’d say they’re working a little.”

    Yes, I think restructure should stop with his/her self-righteousness and introspect the double standard that is promoted on this site.

    “So basically, you’re saying that women don’t have a right to a career because you don’t have a right to get in a woman’s pants?”

    No I am not. I am asking why restructure scuffs off the male protest against beeing cast in a very narrow gender role (always having to be the iniator, always having to accept the degrading put downs and so on) as ‘entitlement’ while at the same time writing about things like the fact that venture capitalists prefer to put their private money into mostly male ventures as sexism. This implies that somehow venture capitalists are obliged to invest in female venture, i.e. female entitlement.

    Why is ‘self-improvement’ always abs and money? I see some people include personality, but it seems so few people look into that… j/k ;)

    Are you talking about when I attended school, where women thought it perfectly ok to ask me for help with things like quantum mechanics, functional analysis or advanced signal analysis and afterwards going around making jokes about what a nerd I was to their other male friends. Sorry, I don’t tango that way anymore. I don’t demand sex as compensation, but I demand that you treat me with some kind of human respect. Or do you mean furher back when they thought I was the violent psychopath because I responded to a broken nose by twisting an arm out of it’s socket? No, I don’t tango that way either. I have also heard from a lot of feminists that defended these womens’ actions with ‘They didn’t beat you, they did what they were required to by the law’, so I have taken this to heart and my only reaction to battered women today is ‘Well, I don’t beat them nothing more is required of me’.

    “Generally the purpose of a company is to make money. If a company is overlooking people who may be able to make that company even more money because they don’t like that person’s gender/race..one could say…Stay out of my boardroom, or better yet, Stay THE HELL out of my boardroom!”

    I assume you are familiar with how the corporation works?
    If you are not satisfied with my performance you are welcome to try and convince a majority of the shareholders that I should leave the company until then I couldn’t care less what you think.

    “Anyway, good luck with your pua stuff. Maybe you’ll find with it success undefined by someone else…or maybe not.”

    This makes no sense. But anyway, I read the game, I could only feel sadness for Mystery, so completely starved for love and attention from his parents that he had to overcompensate by becoming a womanizer.

    So to sum it up. How does this work once more. It’s entitlement when a man protests it’s demanding a basic right when a woman does it?

  64. Restructure! Says:

    I am asking why restructure scuffs off the male protest against beeing cast in a very narrow gender role (always having to be the iniator, always having to accept the degrading put downs and so on) as ‘entitlement’

    Absurd. I said no such thing.

  65. Hmmmm Says:

    “Absurd. I said no such thing.”

    So what is it you are protesting by always writing about Nice Guy TM and entitlement?

  66. a girl Says:

    The problem with “the nice guy” is he is a clever cousin of the stalker. He has figured out that he can manipulate his mark by being her best friend and can watch her every move with her boyfriend (his rival). When the girl catches on, she is creeped out by the whole relationship because she thought he was what he stated in the first place, a friend. None of us can comment on your specific relationships with these women. Maybe you were trying to focus on women who were not at all interested in you and were creeping out their boyfriends when it was obvious that you weren’t leaving them alone? I can’t talk about your adolecent stories. I have my own adolecent stories. Everyone does. I’m just saying, at a certain point, over friendliness becomes drama…

    Second: not all women focus exclusively on looks. I tend to be a little more shallow on that end, I’ll admit it, but I am also pretty comfortably independent. I can afford to be shallow. Maybe the problem you have is not that you can’t land A WOMAN, but that you can’t land AN ALPHA ‘HOT CHICK’ WOMAN. Boo hoo. I’d like to date a 10 also but I can’t always get that either. Some guys just aren’t interested, you have to understand that not all girls will be interested in you. They have their own types and are not just two dimensional objects. If you wanted that, why not invest in a “Hot Chick” realdoll?

    Third: women who are doing quantum mechanics are nerds themselves. After suffering through many proofy classes I can assure you there are easier things to major in available at university. I would have liked more of a social life too, frankly we all would. Get over it. My gym habits also declined, its why I have to put myself through boot camp to get fit in off times. Luckily all I need is toning. I eat healthy.

  67. josh Says:

    jeez hmmm, if your general attitude to life and relationships is anything like what you’ve exhibited here, it’s no wonder you’re having problems finding a girl.

  68. Jordan Says:

    You’re all horrible, horrible people.

  69. Sam Says:

    Lol human relations.

  70. Rosie Says:

    Hmmmm:
    There comes a time when one realises that any man who calls a woman a feminist when she is raising issues on sexism, hasnt got a leg to stand on.
    Even if you were to be correct, Im bored of seeing it all over the internet after just 1 weekend of forum research, and even if im wrong to judge, I dont respect what you have to say because of it. Its like swearing, its not graceful
    .
    If I met you, even with your 6 pack and impressive education which matches my own, leading to lovely mathsy conversations, and as someone who also hasnt had a decent date in 10 years and could sympathise rather than judge, I dont think I would bother with you.
    You are doing yourself a disservice and I beg you to reconsider your approach.

    Now back to the original topic:

    Restructure! Says:
    Actually, the woman who hates shaving her legs doesn’t mind an unshaven face.

    I utterly support this statement, CaveGirl is not a fan of razors or men who insist I use them to emulate glamour models.
    I also like men with interesting faces, a soul, and a job they enjoy, or a talent, doesn’t really matter what. These things have little to do with classic evolutionary choices, but my particular nurture decides what genes my ovaries think are worthy of reproducing, plus I figure Ill have a nicer life with this type.

    But my preferences are irrelevant because people dont all go for the same type, The guys that like me, that I like back do so when Im being the best version of me I can be and so are they. Anything else just wont work out. Its not about maximising odds for me but finding the gooduns and making the effort to deserve them.

    My ‘2 cents’ on responses to rejection.
    Me and my mates think “Why whats wrong with me?”. Most men say to us “Why whats wrong with you?”.

  71. Restructure! Says:

    My ’2 cents’ on responses to rejection.
    Me and my mates think “Why whats wrong with me?”. Most men say to us “Why whats wrong with you?”.

    Exactly.

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  73. Sam Says:

    X Gon’ Give it to ya, he Gon’ give it to ya,
    X Gon’ Give it to ya, he Gon’ give it to ya!

  74. Tony Says:

    Give me a break. Looks can’t hurt a guy, but they are in no way, shape or form as much of a commodity as a good income and a job with status when it comes to women. Even being young most young women are not much into a guy’s looks, the only exception is a guy who has near-perfect looks and stands out in a room. If you’re a male 10 in looks, it will get you somewhere with the ladies, but anything less than near-perfect just doesn’t go far. Women like money and status far more than looks, period.


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